On asymptotic local Tur\'an problems
Peter Frankl, Jiaxi Nie

TL;DR
This paper investigates the asymptotic behavior of the minimum edge density in hypergraphs with the $(q,p)$-property, providing new results that confirm some conjectures and counterexamples for others.
Contribution
It offers partial positive answers to a conjecture about asymptotic densities and introduces new constructions that challenge existing beliefs for certain parameter ranges.
Findings
Confirmed the conjecture for a small range of real numbers.
Provided counterexamples for many other parameter ranges.
Advanced understanding of hypergraph density thresholds.
Abstract
An -uniform hypergraph has -property if any set of vertices spans a complete sub-hypergraph on vertices. Let be the minimum edge density of an -vertex -uniform hypergraph with {\em -property} and let . A disjoint union of complete hypergraphs has -property, which gives . The first author, Huang and R\"odl showed that these constructions are the best asymptotically, that is, . They asked whether it is true for all real number that . In this paper, we give positive answers to this question for a small range of real numbers, and, on the other hand, provide new constructions that give negative…
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TopicsLimits and Structures in Graph Theory · Mathematical Approximation and Integration · Markov Chains and Monte Carlo Methods
On asymptotic local Turán problems
Peter Frankl [email protected] Rényi Institute, Budapest, Hungary
Jiaxi Nie [email protected] Shanghai Center for Mathematical Sciences, Fudan University, Shanghai, China
(Feburary 2023)
Abstract
An -uniform hypergraph has -property if any set of vertices spans a complete sub-hypergraph on vertices. Let be the minimum edge density of an -vertex -uniform hypergraph with -property and let . A disjoint union of complete hypergraphs has -property, which gives . The first author, Huang and Rödl showed that these constructions are the best asymptotically, that is, . They asked whether it is true for all real number that . In this paper, we give positive answers to this question for a small range of real numbers, and, on the other hand, provide new constructions that give negative answers for many other ranges.
1 Introduction
A hypergraph is a collection of subsets of a finite set . Members of are called vertices of , and members of are called edges. An -uniform hypergraph (or -graph for short) is a hypergraph whose edges all have size . For integers , an -uniform hypergraph has -property if for any there exists such that . Let be the minimum integer such that an -vertex -graph with -property has edges. By a simple averaging argument, Katona, Nemetz and Simonovits [6] showed that is monotone increasing. Therefore, the limits
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exist. For the graph case, Erdös and Spencer [1] showed that
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For general , the first author and Stechkin [5] proved that
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In this paper, we focus on the asymptotic behavior of .
Definition 1.1**.**
For every real number , let
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See the Appendix for the proof of the existence of the limits.
Clearly, is monotone non-increasing. Equation (1) implies
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for every , and equation (2) implies
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for every and . In [3] it is proved that . This was recently generalized by the first author, Huang and Rödl [4] who showed the following:
Theorem 1.2** ([4]).**
For all integers , ,
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For every integers ,
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They asked whether it is true that for every real number
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Towards (6), we first prove the following general lower bounds:
Theorem 1.3**.**
For every integer , and real number ,
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The next theorem, together with some known results, gives better lower bounds confirming (6) for a small range of real numbers.
Theorem 1.4**.**
For integers , and real number ,
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As a result, if for some , then for every real number with ,
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Remark**.**
Since and , Theorem 1.4 implies (3) and (4).
Also, since by Theorem 1.2, we have the following corollary:
Corollary 1.5**.**
For ,
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Recently Fang, Gao, Ma and Song [2] have also proved (7).
Turán [7] proposed the following notorious conjectures:
Conjecture 1.6** ([7]).**
For every integers ,
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This conjecture, if true, implies the following corollary:
Corollary 1.7**.**
If Conjecture 1.6 is true, then for any integer and ,
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In particular, for every integer and , since ,
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On the other hand, we find new constructions with edge density smaller than that of the disjoint union of cliques, which give negative answers to (6) for many ranges of real numbers.
Theorem 1.8**.**
Let integers , .
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For every integer , and real number ,
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For every integer , and real number ,
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Recently, Fang, Gao, Ma and Song [2] also proved the upper bounds (9) for using the same construction. Moreover, they find constructions that give upper bounds better than (8) when and .
The rest of this paper is organized as follows:
In Section 2 we generalize ideas from [4] to prove the general lower bounds, that is, Theorem 1.3.
In Section 3, we proved Theorem 1.4 which, together with some known results, improves the lower bounds of Theorem 1.3.
In Section 4, we develop a framework that generates constructions for upper bounds and then use it to prove Theorem 1.8.
2 General lower bounds
In this section, we prove Theorem 1.3. A -hole of an -graph is a set of vertices such that and is the clique number, that is, the maximum integer such that there exists such that . For any , the existence of a -hole indicates that the hypergraph does not have -property.
Lemma 2.1** (Lemma 2.1 in [4]).**
For integers , let be an -graph with -property. If has a -hole such that , then the induced sub--graph of on , , has -property.
Since is non-increasing, it suffices to show the lower bounds for rational numbers . We make use of the following lemma:
Lemma 2.2** (Generalization of Lemma 2.2 in [4]).**
For integers , , and . Suppose an -graph on vertices has -property for all pairs with and . Then
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Proof.
Let and let . We claim that any induced sub--graph of on vertices must contain a vertex with degree at least . This is because has -property. Hence any induced sub--graph of on vertices contains a clique of size , and hence contains a vertex with degree at least . Therefore,
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Suppose for some integers and . It is not hard to check that or . Let . So we have
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Now it suffices to show
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We prove the following stronger statement.
Claim**.**
For integer ,
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Proof.
When , the inequality is true. Suppose the inequality holds for . Note that for ,
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We have
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This completes the proof of the claim. ∎
The lemma follows immediately by putting in the claim.
∎
We generalize the notion of excess from [4]. For a pair with , we call the excess of the pair . Note that since , we always have . In the following proof, a -hole always has and .
Proof of Theorem 1.3.
Given , fix such that
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Then fix a much larger integer . Let be an -graph on vertices with -property, where is sufficiently large. Our goal is to apply Lemma 2.2 on a subset with . This requires us to find such an such that has no -hole with and .
We start with and define inductively. Let and , . Suppose and has a -hole such that . Let , , and let , . Note that . This implies that .
The process keeps going unless, at some step , or contains no -holes with .
If, at step , , then we have . This contradicts .
Hence, at some step , we obtain containing no -holes with such that . For sufficiently large, we have . By Lemma 2.2,
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Let and then let . This completes the proof. ∎
3 Some better lower bounds
In this section, we prove Theorem 1.4. We make use of the following lemma:
Lemma 3.1**.**
For any integers , , ,
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Proof.
Let , and let . For any , let be sufficiently large such that for any ,
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and
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For any , let be an -graph on vertices with -property. If has -property, then we have
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Otherwise, has a -hole where . Let . By Lemma 2.1, has -property. Therefore,
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Let and let , we infer . ∎
Lemma 3.2**.**
For any integers , ,
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Proof.
We use induction on . When , equality holds. When , by Lemma 3.1 and the inductive hypothesis
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∎
Proof of Theorem 1.4.
Let , then
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Hence there exists such that, for any , . Therefore, by Lemma 3.2
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Now suppose that . For any , we have , hence , . On the other hand, since the function is non-increasing, we have . Therefore, . ∎
Corollary 1.5 and Corollary 1.7 follow easily from Theorem 1.4.
4 Constructions for upper bounds
In this section, we describe a framework that generates constructions for upper bounds of and then use it to prove Theorem 1.8. We will also briefly introduce the constructions used by Fang, Gao, Ma and Song [2].
Definition 4.1**.**
Fix a hypergraph on . Let be a family of -graphs with the following properties: vertices of can be partitioned into disjoint sets such that
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For example, a 3-graph consists of all triples such that for some . Let
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and let
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By an averaging argument, we know that, when and are fixed, is non-decreasing. Hence, the limit exists.
Next, we introduce two parameters of a hypergraph that will make it more convenient to describe properties of the family . For every integer , let
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Given a hypergraph on , we define a function on ,
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Definition 4.2**.**
Given a hypergraph on , let
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Since is continuous and is compact, is well-defined. The intuition is, given a vertex set in a hypergraph , we can let be the vertex distribution of among different parts of . Now if is large, then no matter how the vertices in are distributed, we can always find a clique in of size . The next lemma reveals the relation between and the local Turán property of a hypergraph in in a more formal way.
Lemma 4.3**.**
Let be a hypergraph on and let . Then and , has -property. Therefore,
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Proof.
Let be disjoint sets of vertices of satisfying (10). Let be a set of vertices of . Let , . Clearly, is a vector in . Hence by definition, there exists an edge such that
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Since is an integer, we have . By equation (10), spans a clique of size in . Therefore, has -property.
As a result, we have . Letting and gives . ∎
A hypergraph is said to be the disjoint union of hypergraphs where if have disjoint vertex sets and .
Lemma 4.4**.**
Let and let be the disjoint union of hypergraphs , then
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Proof.
It suffices to show this for . When , by definition,
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Clearly, the minimum is obtained when , which implies
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Hence
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∎
Given a hypergraph on and , we define a function on ,
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where if there exists such that ; otherwise, .
Definition 4.5**.**
Given a hypergraph on and an integer , let
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Since is continuous and is compact, is well-defined.
Lemma 4.6**.**
Let and let be the disjoint union of hypergraphs , then
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Proof.
Again, it is sufficient to show the statement for . When , by definition,
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Let , and let . Applying Jensen’s inequality to the convex function ,
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Equality holds if and only if which is equivalent to . Hence this minimum is obtainable. Therefore,
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∎
Lemma 4.7**.**
Let be a hypergraph on and . Then
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Proof.
For any , let be disjoint set of vertices of satisfying (10). Given , , let denote the number of entries equal to in . By (10), we can count the number of edges in as following: for each , if , then the number of (ordered) edges such that for all is exactly
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If we sum the quantity above over all , then each edge in is counted exactly times. Hence,
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where is a constant that depends only on . This implies that
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Letting gives .
On the other hand, let be the vector such that . We can pick a sequence of -graphs such that and as , . By definition, there exists a constant that depends only on such that
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Letting gives .
∎
Definition 4.8**.**
For integers , an -uniform tight cycle of length , denoted by is an -graph on with edges , (vertices are modulo ).
We will use tight cycles of the forms and as building blocks to give constructions that prove Theorem 1.8. Next, we introduce two lemmas that compute the parameters and of tight cycles.
Lemma 4.9**.**
For every inters ,
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Proof.
We will use the notations in Definition 4.8. For any , let . Then
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Hence, . On the other hand, if we let , then . Therefore, . ∎
Lemma 4.10**.**
Let be an integer.
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For every integer ,
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For every integer ,
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Proof.
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Throughout this proof the indices in are modulo . For any , we claim that
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For any such that , it suffices to show that the coefficient of the ordered monomial is in the right-hand side of (11). Let be the minimum integer such that there exists such that , . By definition, such must exist and satisfy . Then the ordered monomial is contained in for , which contributes to its coefficient; and is contained in for , which contributes to its coefficient. Hence its coefficient is exactly 1. This proves the claim.
Now let . We have
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- (2)
For , note that the polynomial is the sum of all ordered monomials of degree that is missing some , each of them has coefficient 1. For any subset , observe that is the sum of all ordered monomials of degree that is missing all with , each of them has coefficient 1. Hence by the Inclusion-Exclusion Principle, we have
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Now let . We have
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∎
Let be the -uniform hypergraph with vertices and edges. Given a hypergraph , let denote the disjoint union of and . It is easy to check that and .
Proof of Theorem 1.8.
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By Lemma 4.3, Lemma 4.7 and the fact that is non-increasing, when ,
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Therefore,
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By Lemma 4.3, Lemma 4.7 and the fact that is non-increasing, when ,
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Therefore,
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∎
Fang, Gao, Ma and Song [2] make use of the following hypergraphs.
Definition 4.11**.**
For integer , let be a hypergraph on defined as following:
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It is not hard to check that and . Hence, by Lemma 4.3, Lemma 4.4, Lemma 4.7 and Lemma 4.6, for every integers and real number ,
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This is strictly better than (8) when and .
5 Concluding remarks
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By Lemma 4.3 and Lemma 4.7 we know that
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Is this bound tight? All known correct constructions so far support this intuition. To begin with, can we show that provides the best constructions for ? In other words, is it true that
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The case has been confirmed recently by Fang, Gao, Ma and Song [2].
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For , we know from the proof of Theorem 1.8 that . Is this tight? In other words, is it true that the best construction for comes from taking the disjoint union of the best construction for and cliques? This is true for by Theorem 1.2.
Aknowledgement
We would like to thank Hao Huang, Jie Ma and Hehui Wu for helpful discussions.
Appendix A
Proposition 5.1**.**
For every integer and real number , the limits
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exist.
Proof.
Let . Let be an arbitrarily small real number. We need to show that there exists such that for all , . By definition, there exists such that where . Clearly, . Let . Let be large enough such that for every
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and
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Fix a , and let . For , let , . By Lemma 3.1, as long as is well defined,
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Let be the unique integer such that . Not hard to check that
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By (13), we have
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Hence, by (14),
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Note that by definition, . So we have,
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Therefore,
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∎
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