Generating pairs of projective special linear groups that fail to lift
Jan Boschheidgen, Benjamin Klopsch, Anitha Thillaisundaram

TL;DR
This paper constructs explicit examples of pairs of groups, specifically free products of cyclic groups and finite projective special linear groups, that demonstrate the failure of a lifting property originally posed by Neumann.
Contribution
The authors introduce a new approach to produce infinitely many negative examples to Neumann's problem, including cases with infinite groups, using free products and finite linear groups.
Findings
Constructed explicit pairs of groups $(G,H)$ with $G$ as a free product of cyclic groups and $H$ as $ ext{PSL}(2,p)$.
Provided infinitely many negative examples for the case $n=2$.
Extended examples to include cases where $H$ is infinite.
Abstract
The following problem was originally posed by B.H. Neumann and H. Neumann. Suppose that a group can be generated by elements and that is a homomorphic image of . Does there exist, for every generating -tuple of , a homomorphism and a generating -tuple of such that ? M.J. Dunwoody gave a negative answer to this question, by means of a carefully engineered construction of an explicit pair of soluble groups. Via a new approach we produce, for , infinitely many pairs of groups that are negative examples to the Neumanns' problem. These new examples are easily described: is a free product of two suitable finite cyclic groups, such as , and is a suitable finite projective special linear group, such as…
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Generating pairs of
projective special linear groups that fail to lift
Jan Boschheidgen
J. Boschheidgen: Departamento de Matematicas, Universidad Autónoma de Madrid, and Instituto de Ciencias Matemáticas, 28049 Madrid, Spain
,
Benjamin Klopsch
B. Klopsch: Mathematisches Institut, Heinrich-Heine-Universität, 40225 Düsseldorf, Germany
and
Anitha Thillaisundaram
A. Thillaisundaram: School of Mathematics and Physics, University of Lincoln, LN6 7TS Lincoln, United Kingdom
In memory of Wolfgang Gaschütz (1920–2016) on the centenary of his birth
Abstract.
The following problem was originally posed by B. H. Neumann and H. Neumann. Suppose that a group can be generated by elements and that is a homomorphic image of . Does there exist, for every generating -tuple of , a homomorphism and a generating -tuple of such that ?
M. J. Dunwoody gave a negative answer to this question, by means of a carefully engineered construction of an explicit pair of soluble groups. Via a new approach we produce, for , infinitely many pairs of groups that are negative examples to the Neumanns’ problem. These new examples are easily described: is a free product of two suitable finite cyclic groups, such as , and is a suitable finite projective special linear group, such as for a prime . A small modification yields the first negative examples with infinite.
Key words and phrases:
Generating tuples, free products, projective special linear groups
2010 Mathematics Subject Classification:
Primary 20F05; Secondary 20E06, 20G40
The third author acknowledges the support from the Alexander von Humboldt Foundation and from the Forscher-Alumni-Programm of the Heinrich-Heine-Universität Düsseldorf (HHU); she thanks HHU for its hospitality.
1. Introduction
The following question about lifting finite generating tuples along homomorphisms of groups was originally raised by B. H. Neumann and H. Neumann [14].
Neumanns’ Problem**.**
Suppose that is a group which can be generated by elements and let be a homomorphic image of . Does there exist, for every generating -tuple of , a homomorphism and a generating -tuple of such that ?
By means of an ingenious counting trick, W. Gaschütz showed in [4] that under an additional finiteness condition the answer is yes; indeed, a significantly stronger result holds.
Gaschütz’ Lemma**.**
Let be a group which can be generated by elements and let be a surjective homomorphism with finite kernel. Then, for every generating -tuple of , there exists a generating -tuple of such that .
A profinite version of Gaschütz’ Lemma has manifold applications in the theory of profinite groups; compare [9, §2]. For a recent generalisation to metrisable compact groups see [2].
However, in general one cannot expect that arbitrary generating tuples will lift along a single, fixed epimorphism. For instance, take , a homomorphism from an infinite cyclic group onto a group of order . Then, of course, only two of the four generators of lift along to generators of . As Gaschütz pointed out, this simple example illustrates the inherent limitation in his theorem, but falls short of settling the Neumanns’ Problem (in the negative).
Eventually M. J. Dunwoody [3, §3] gave a negative answer to the Neumanns’ Problem (and indeed negative answers to several related questions), by means of a carefully engineered construction of an explicit pair of -generated groups , where is a homomorphic image of , but admits a generating pair that does not lift back to a generating pair of along any homomorphism. In this example, is a (nilpotent of class )-by-(nilpotent of class ) group of order ; the group is an extension of an (infinite) abelian group by .
It is largely unknown how ‘frequently’ negative examples to the Neumanns’ Problem should be expected to occur, when one restricts or to more special classes of groups. The main purpose of the present paper is to provide, for , an infinite family of negative examples to the Neumanns’ Problem whose nature is rather different from the groups arising from Dunwoody’s construction. Indeed, our main examples arise from free products of cyclic groups mapping onto finite projective special linear groups .
Theorem 1.1**.**
For the following pairs of -generated groups, the group is a homomorphic image of , but there exist generating pairs of such that for all homomorphisms and all generating pairs of , we have .
- (i)
* and , where is a prime power such that , but ;* 2. (ii)
* and , where is a power of a prime such that , but ;* 3. (iii)
* and , where and is a power of a prime such that , but , and*
[TABLE] 4. (iv)
* and , where is a prime power such that .*
The groups of the form , where , arise in number theory as Hecke groups, acting on the upper half of the complex plane; e.g., see [7]. The most prominent member of this family is the modular group , which clearly maps onto for any prime . As expected, the infinite dihedral group does not yield negative examples to the Neumanns’ Problem; see Proposition 4.2.
As a first step toward Theorem 1.1, one needs to verify that the groups are actually homomorphic images of the relevant free product . Fortunately, the subgroups of finite projective special linear groups of degree were completely described by L. E. Dickson; compare [6, Thm. II.8.27]. Based on this classification, A. M. Macbeath [10] studied triples of such that with a view toward determining according to the traces of . In particular, he showed that is -generated unless ; we refer to [15] for a complete overview about -generation of arbitrary (projective) special linear groups over finite fields and references to related results.
In [8], U. Langer and G. Rosenberger use Macbeath’s results to determine necessary and sufficient conditions for to be the quotient of a given triangle group, with torsion-free kernel. Generalising a result of J. L. Brenner and J. Wiegold, they establish (ibid., Satz 5.3) the following theorem. For every prime power and all integers , , the group is -generated provided that are possible element orders in .
We recall that is a possible element order in , where is a power of a prime , if and only if
[TABLE]
This explains, for instance, the assumptions in Theorem 1.1(iii), following the condition . Generation properties of for can, of course, be dealt with by direct computation: is not -generated, but it is -generated; is -generated, but generating pairs lift, as we state in Proposition 4.1.
In Dunwoody’s example and all our examples thus far, the group is -generated and infinite, whereas the homomorphic image is finite. By a small modification, we obtain the first negative examples to the Neumanns’ Problem with infinite.
Corollary 1.2**.**
There are negative examples to the Neumanns’ Problem, where is infinite. For instance, and yield such an example: is a homomorphic image of , but admits generating pairs that do not lift to generating pairs for along any homomorphism.
Similar to Dunwoody, we focus in this paper exclusively on -generated groups and on lifting generating pairs. It remains a challenge to produce negative examples to the Neumanns’ Problem for , where and are -generated and certain generating -tuples do not lift back. It is conceivable that such examples can be found as a byproduct of a systematic study of the Neumanns’ Problem for pairs , where is a finite free product of cyclic groups. Theorem 1.1(iv) can be seen as a first minor step toward such a systematic study.
Finally, we think it would be interesting to investigate to what degree the extra condition in Theorem 1.1(iii) is needed. Our proof relies on this assumption and breaks down, for instance, for and with : one can check by direct computer calculation that, in these cases, the trace invariants associated to relevant generating pairs assume all possible values, apart from . This stands in contrast to the situations that we deal with.
Acknowledgements. The initial ideas for our paper stem from an unpublished manuscript of the second author, which contained a self-contained number-theoretic proof that, for every prime , there exist generating pairs of which do not lift to . The third author thanks Sandro Mattarei and Alex Bartel for helpful discussions. We acknowledge the referee’s feedback which led to improvements of the presentation.
2. Preliminary set-up
Let be a -generated group. There is a natural semi-regular action of on the set
[TABLE]
of all generating pairs of under which sends to .
We are more interested in the action of the automorphism group of a free group of rank two on defined as follows. There is a bijection
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where denotes any word in . The group permutes the elements of , via for and , and this action pulls back along to an action of on .
It is well-known that is generated by the basic Nielsen transformations
[TABLE]
Application of these to an element via yields
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We note that, if is an epimorphism of groups, then induces a map which commutes with the action of on and respectively; i.e., for every and all we have
[TABLE]
In general, neither nor the permutation group induced by and is necessarily going to act transitively on .
Example 2.1**.**
For instance, if is the alternating group of degree , then consists of elements. They fall into nineteen -orbits, each of length , and into two -orbits of length and respectively. For details see [5] and [14, §10]. By means of a direct calculation one can see that in the same example splits into three -orbits of size , , and , respectively.
But under special circumstances acts transitively on , e.g., if is abelian or if is free. We require the following not so obvious fact.
Fact 2.2**.**
If for , then consists of a single -orbit.
This is a consequence of the Grushko–Neumann Theorem about free groups, which can be proved, for instance, by cancellation arguments due to R. C. Lyndon; see [16, Section 6.3] and [1, Appendix]. From Fact 2.2 and (2.2) we obtain
Corollary 2.3**.**
Let for . Suppose that is a homomorphic image of , and let . Then there exists and with if and only if the -orbit of in contains an element such that .
As above, let be a homomorphic image of . We say that a subset is -free if there exists no such that . Furthermore, we refer to as an -generating pair if , i.e., if the orders of and divide and , respectively.
We make use of a fruitful observation by D. G. Higman; see [13]. Let be an -orbit, and let
[TABLE]
Since the identities
[TABLE]
hold in any group, the induced Nielsen transformations on show that for any choice of , we have
[TABLE]
For instance, this shows that the order of is constant for .
We take interest in the special situation, where is a projective special linear group, for a prime power . Every element has matrix representatives . Let denote the usual trace map. The group commutator yields a canonical map from to : for , the element
[TABLE]
is independent of the particular choice of representatives. Combining this map with the usual trace map, we obtain the trace invariant
[TABLE]
which is constant on -orbits .
As mentioned in the introduction, the (maximal) subgroups of finite projective special linear groups are fully understood; therefore it is possible to locate generating pairs satisfying additional properties. Using this approach, D. McCullough and M. Wanderley [11] showed for instance that, for , every non-trivial element of is a commutator of a generating pair. For convenience we state the following consequence of their work.
Theorem 2.4** ([11, Thm. 2.1]).**
Let , where is a prime power. The set of trace invariants of generating pairs for satisfies
[TABLE]
Next, we record a basic and well-known fact.
Lemma 2.5**.**
Let , where is a power of a prime . Then
- (a)
* if and only if has order , and* 2. (b)
* if and only if has order .*
Proposition 2.6**.**
Let be a prime power such that . Suppose that , where . Then .
Proof.
For a contradiction, assume that . Conjugating and by a suitable element of , we may suppose that
[TABLE]
Since is not abelian, we deduce that . Since has order in , it follows that , hence we may write
[TABLE]
Since
[TABLE]
also has trace [math], we deduce that . From we conclude that , in contradiction to . ∎
Using Theorem 2.4, we deduce from Proposition 2.6 the following key corollary.
Corollary 2.7**.**
Let be a prime power such that , but , and let . Suppose that is -generated. Then and yield a negative example to the Neumanns’ Problem.
Proof.
By Theorem 2.4, we find a generating pair , where and for , such that . By Corollary 2.3, it suffices to show that represents an -orbit that is -free.
Suppose that , for , is a -generating pair for . Then is a generating pair for and . By Proposition 2.6, we have . Hence , and cannot lie in the -orbit of . ∎
3. Proof of the main theorem and corollary
We continue to use the notation introduced in Section 2.
Proof of Theorem 1.1(iii).
This follows directly from Corollary 2.7. ∎
Our proof of Theorem 1.1(i) uses group-theoretic results, due to G. A. Miller.
Proof of Theorem 1.1(i).
Consider the group , where , but . By Corollary 2.3, it suffices to show that there is an -orbit in that is -free.
First suppose that and . Using Theorem 2.4, we find a generating pair such that . This implies that has order . A classical result of G. A. Miller [12, §1] implies that any group generated by an element of order two and an element of order three whose commutator has order two is isomorphic to either or . Thus the -orbit of is -free.
Now suppose that or . Using Theorem 2.4, we find a generating pair such that . This implies that has order . By [12, §3], any group generated by an element of order two and an element of order three whose commutator has order three is solvable. (Indeed, the finitely presented group has derived length ; one has and .) Thus the -orbit of is -free. ∎
For completeness we remark that it is easy to check that every generating pair of and respectively lifts to a generating pair of along a suitable epimorphism.
Proof of Theorem 1.1(ii).
Consider the group , where is a power of a prime such that , but . By Corollary 2.3, it suffices to show that there is an -orbit of that is -free. If , we apply Corollary 2.7, as in the proof of part (iii).
Now suppose that . The argument we provide actually works for all prime powers . Suppose that with , where and for . Then , and since there is only one conjugacy class of elements of order in , we may suppose that
[TABLE]
We write
[TABLE]
Since has order or , Lemma 2.5 shows that the trace of . Put . We have
[TABLE]
Thus has trace invariant
[TABLE]
By Theorem 2.4, there is an -orbit in such that the associated trace invariant is not of the form for . Such an -orbit is -free. ∎
In preparation of the proof of Theorem 1.1(iv), we establish two lemmata that could also be checked directly, using a computer.
Lemma 3.1**.**
If , where , then .
Proof.
By Lemma 2.5, it suffices to show that does not have order . For this it suffices to show that does not have order .
Recall that . Hence it is enough to prove that in no commutator of two -cycles yields a -cycle. Using conjugation in , it suffices to consider a single commutator:
[TABLE]
Lemma 3.2**.**
If , where , then .
Proof.
Elements with have order , and the image of such an element in has order . Hence it suffices to show that does not have order .
Recall that acts -transitively on the projective line . The stabiliser of any pair of points is cyclic of order , and the stabiliser of any -element set is dihedral of order . For instance, the stabiliser of is generated by
[TABLE]
Elements of order act fixed-point-freely on . The elements induce fractional linear transformations on , with . Using conjugation and replacing by , if necessary, we may assume that .
For a contradiction, assume that has order so that . We conclude that and are disjoint; likewise and are disjoint. The elements of order form a single conjugacy class in , and we write for suitable . Conjugating by and replacing by , if necessary, we may assume that . This leaves three options for , namely , and . Accordingly, is one of the transformations
[TABLE]
or one of their inverses. Replacing by its inverse, if necessary, we may assume that is one of . Direct computations show that
[TABLE]
Proof of Theorem 1.1(iv).
Consider the group , where is a prime power such that . By Corollary 2.3, it suffices to show that there is an -orbit of that is -free.
If , Theorem 2.4 and Lemma 3.1 imply that at least one -orbit in is -free. If , Theorem 2.4 and Lemma 3.2 show that there are -free -orbits in . Now suppose that . We show below that, if and , then . Thus Theorem 2.4 yields that at least one -orbit in is -free.
Let be such that . For a contradiction, assume that . Then would have order . But a classical result of G. A. Miller [12, §2] implies that any group generated by two elements of order three whose commutator has order two is soluble, in contradiction to being non-soluble. (Indeed, the finitely presented group has order and derived length ; one has and .) ∎
Proof of Corollary 1.2.
Suppose that is a homomorphic image of under and , where is a prime power such that and . Suppose further that does not lift to a generating pair under any homomorphism .
Observe that modulo its second derived subgroup , is infinite: indeed, and the Kuroš Subgroup Theorem implies . The group is perfect, hence . Therefore is a homomorphic image of under and . Furthermore is a generating pair of that does not lift to a generating pair under any homomorphism , because otherwise would lift to under the composition , where is the projection onto the first factor. ∎
4. Complements
In this section we give two complementary results. First we show that Theorem 1.1(ii) does not extend to .
Proposition 4.1**.**
Let and . Then every generating pair of lifts to a generating pair of along some epimorphism.
Proof.
In view of Corollary 2.3, it suffices to show that every -orbit in contains a -generating pair. The number -orbits is known to be ; compare Example 2.1.
Consider in the elements
[TABLE]
It is straightforward to check that , and are -generating pairs for . We claim that they are representatives for the three distinct -orbits in . Indeed,
[TABLE]
so that
[TABLE]
Thus it remains to show that and lie in distinct -orbits. This follows from the fact that is not conjugate to any of the matrices , , , . (The latter two can be ruled out by their trace, the former two are ruled out by direct computation.) ∎
Finally, we justify that the infinite dihedral group does not yield negative examples to the Neumanns’ Problem
Proposition 4.2**.**
Let and let be a homomorphic image of . Then there exists a homomorphism and a generating pair such that .
Proof.
The infinite dihedral group is just infinite; its non-trivial proper homomorphic images are exactly the finite dihedral groups , for . Avoiding trivial and easy cases, we may suppose that for .
The group consists of shifts and reflections. At least one of and is a reflection. Let’s suppose is a reflection. If is also a reflection, then there is a homomorphism mapping to and to . If is a shift (necessarily of order ), then there is a homomorphism mapping to and to . ∎
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