Bounding the maximal size of independent generating sets of finite groups
Andrea Lucchini, Mariapia Moscatiello, Pablo Spiga

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This paper provides bounds on the maximum size of minimal generating sets of finite groups based on the sum of minimal generators of their Sylow p-subgroups, linking group structure to prime divisors.
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It introduces new estimates for m(G) in terms of Sylow p-subgroup generators, connecting group generation properties with prime factorization.
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Derived bounds for m(G) using Sylow p-subgroup generators
Established relationships between minimal generating sets and prime divisors
Enhanced understanding of finite group generation complexity
Abstract
Denote by the largest size of a minimal generating set of a finite group . We estimate in terms of where we are denoting by the minimal number of generators of a Sylow -subgroup of and by the set of prime numbers dividing the order of .
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Bounding the maximal size of independent generating sets of finite groups
Andrea Lucchini
Andrea Lucchini, Dipartimento di Matematica “Tullio Levi-Civita”,
University of Padova, Via Trieste 53, 35121 Padova, Italy
,
Mariapia Moscatiello
Mariapia Moscatiello, Dipartimento di Matematica “Tullio Levi-Civita”,
University of Padova, Via Trieste 53, 35121 Padova, Italy
and
Pablo Spiga
Pablo Spiga, Dipartimento di Matematica Pura e Applicata,
University of Milano-Bicocca, Via Cozzi 55, 20126 Milano, Italy
Abstract.
Denote by the largest size of a minimal generating set of a finite group . We estimate in terms of where we are denoting by the minimal number of generators of a Sylow -subgroup of and by the set of prime numbers dividing the order of .
Key words and phrases:
generating sets, number of generators
2010 Mathematics Subject Classification:
primary 20D99; secondary 20B05, 20D20
1. Introduction
A generating set of a finite group is said to be minimal (or independent) if no proper subset of generates . We denote by the largest size of a minimal generating set of . First steps toward investigating have been taken in the context of permutation groups. An exhaustive investigation has been done for finite symmetric groups [2, 17], proving that and giving a complete description of the independent generating sets of having cardinality . Partial results for some families of simple groups are in [16]: it turns out that already in the case , the precise value of is quite difficult to obtain. Further Apisa and Klopsch [1] proposed a natural “classification problem”: given a non-negative integer , characterize all finite groups such that , where is the minimal size of a generating set of . In particular, they classified the finite groups for which the equality holds. During the same period the first author started in [10, 11] a systematic investigation of how can be estimated for an arbitrary finite group .
In 1989, Guralnick [8] and the first author [9] independently proved that, if all the Sylow subgroups of a finite group can be generated by elements, then . One may ask, if minded so, whether a similar result holds also for More precisely, denote by the minimal number of generators of a Sylow -subgroup of .
*Is it possible to bound as a function of the numbers
with running through the prime divisors of the order of ?*
As customary, we denote by the set of prime divisors of the order of . It can be easily seen that, if is a finite nilpotent group, then . For simplicity, we let
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In a private communication to the first author, Keith Dennis has conjectured that , for every finite group
This conjecture is true for soluble groups.
Theorem 1.1**.**
Let be a finite soluble group. Then .
Proof.
In [10], it is proved that , where denotes the number of complemented factors of -power order in a chief series of . Now, an easy inductive argument on the order of shows that (see for example [12, Lemma 4]). Therefore . ∎
Despite Theorem 1.1, Dennis’ conjecture is false if is a symmetric group. We study the asymptotic behaviour of the function in Section 5. We prove in Theorem 5.1 that . Since by [17], the difference goes to infinity with and the inequality is satisfies only by finitely many values of . Indeed, using the explicit upper bound on in Theorem 5.1 and some calculations, we have
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For all the other values of , we have
The proof of Theorem 5.1 is rather technical and uses some explicit bounds on the prime counting function. However, in Lemma 4.4 we show by elementary means that, for every positive real number there exists a constant such that , for every .
This motivates the following conjecture, which can be seen as a natural generalization of Dennis’ conjecture.
Conjecture 1.2**.**
There exist two constants and such that for every finite group
Given a normal subgroup of a finite group , we let
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The main result of this paper is the following theorem.
Theorem 1.3**.**
Let be a finite group and assume that there exist two constants and such that , for every composition factor of and for every almost simple group with Then
Theorem 1.3 reduces Conjecture 1.2 to the following conjecture on finite almost simple groups.
Conjecture 1.4**.**
There exist two constants and such that for every finite almost simple group
Conjecture 1.4 holds true when is an alternating group or a sporadic simple group. Therefore, we have the following corollary.
Corollary 1.5**.**
There exists a constant such that, if has no composition factor of Lie type, then
Very little is known about when is an almost simple group with socle a simple group of Lie type. Whiston and Saxl proved that, if with and with a prime number, then where is the number of distinct prime divisors of It follows from Zsigmondy’s Theorem that . Therefore Conjecture 1.4 holds true when In his PhD thesis [5], P. J. Keen found a good upper bound for , when and is odd. In preparation for this, he also investigated the sizes of independent sets in and , getting in all the cases a linear bound in terms of These partial results lead to conjecture that, if is a group of Lie type of rank over the field with elements, then is polynomially bounded in terms of and . If this were true, then Conjecture 1.4 would also be true.
The proofs of Theorem 1.3 and Corollary 1.5 are in Section 4. These proofs require two preliminary results, one concerning the prime divisors of the order of a finite non-abelian simple group and the other about permutation groups, proved respectively in Sections 2 and 3.
2. A result on the order of a finite simple group
For later use we need to recall some definitions and some results concerning Zsigmondy primes.
Definition 2.1**.**
Let and be positive integers. A prime number is called a primitive prime divisor of if divides and does not divide for every integer . We denote an arbitrary primitive prime divisors of by **
Theorem 2.2** (Zsigmondy’s Theorem [18]).**
Let and be integers greater than . There exists a primitive prime divisor of except in one of the following cases:
- (1)
* (i.e. is a Mersenne prime), and .* 2. (2)
.
Lemma 2.3**.**
[6, Proposition 5.2.15]**
Theorem 2.4**.**
Let be a simple group of Lie type. There exist two different primes dividing but not
Proof.
Let be a simple group of Lie type defined over the field with elements, where and is a prime number. From Burnside’s theorem, . From [3], if , then
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and for these groups the theorem holds by a direct inspection. Therefore, for the rest of the proof we may suppose
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In particular, the result immediately follows when and hence we may suppose .
The order of has the cyclotomic factorization in terms of
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where is the -th cyclotomic polynomial and , , and are listed in Tables L.1, C.1 and C.2 of [7].
Suppose that and that is untwisted. From [13, page 207], if and are integers such that is a primitive prime of , then divides . From this and from Zsigmondy’s theorem, we conclude that, except for the six cases listed below, there exist with such that and are distinct primitive prime divisors. In particular, and are odd divisors of and are relatively prime to because . Moreover, by Lemma 2.3, and hence and are relatively prime to In particular, and are our required primes. (The case is special in this argument because is (potentially) an odd prime divisor of not arising from field automorphisms.)
We are going to analyze the groups for which the existence of and is not ensured from the previous argument.
- (1)
and is a Mersenne prime: in this case is divisible by at most 2 different primes, contradicting . 2. (2)
in this case 5 and 7 are the required primes. 3. (3)
we may assume , otherwise . Now, the existence of and is ensured by Zsigmondy’s Theorem. 4. (4)
with a Mersenne prime: in this case a contradiction. 5. (5)
: in this case 5 and 7 are the requested primes. 6. (6)
with a Mersenne prime: in this case a contradiction.
It remains to deal with the case and with the twisted groups of Lie type.
Suppose . Since divides , the previous argument fails exactly when the primitive prime divisor or is . The existence of , and is ensured when and when is not a Mersenne prime. When , the result follows since ; when , we have that does not divide and ; therefore and are prime numbers satisfying our statement . When is a Mersenne prime, if then and are prime numbers satisfying our statement; if , then and are prime numbers satisfying our statement.
Assume In these cases we have so we may assume that is not a prime. Since the existence of and is ensured by Zsigmondy’s Theorem, for two different elements and of , we are done.
If and and is not a Mersenne prime, then we can take and (notice that divides ). When or or is a Mersenne prime, then is divisible only by 3, against our assumption.
If , then we can take and (notice that divides ).
If , then divides . So, when or when is a Mersenne prime, the result holds since has only one prime divisor. For the remaining cases, we can take and .
Finally assume In this case If and then we can take and When , we have , which is a contradiction. We remain with the case The group was already analyzed, so we can suppose . Now , so we may assume . If we may assume and we can take and . Otherwise so and in particular . It follows that and are the prime we are interested in. ∎
3. An auxiliary result
Lemma 3.1**.**
Let be a -group, let be a permutation -group with domain and let be the number of orbits of on . Then
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Proof.
Let be the orbits of on .
Replacing by if necessary, we may suppose that is an elementary abelian -group. Let be the base group of the wreath product .
Using the fact that is an abelian normal subgroup of and standard commutator computations, we get Given and , we have
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and hence
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Consider , the subspace of consisting of all functions with
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Given , and , we have
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Hence, . For each , fix and let . For every and , we let and be the mappings defined by
= =
Since , with a computation, we obtain
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For each and , since and are in the same -orbit, there exists with . For each , we have
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It follows and hence . So, . Therefore
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From (3.1), (3.2) and from the fact that , we obtain
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Given a permutation group on and , we let the stabilizer of in . Let be a transitive permutation group on a set and let . We define to be the maximum number of subgroups of with
- (1)
, and 2. (2)
, for each proper subset of .
When (1) and (2) are satisfied (even if is not necessarily the maximum), we say that are indipendent subgroups of . Moreover, let be a finite non-abelian simple group and let us denote by the set of primes dividing but not
Theorem 3.2**.**
Let be a transitive permutation on , let be a non-abelian simple group and let be a group with Then
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Proof.
For every , we have and hence, without loss of generality, we may assume For simplicity, we write
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We argue by induction on . When , from Theorem 2.4 we deduce
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Suppose then . Let and let be independent subgroups of with
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For each , we define
to be the intersection (as , the orbit is a block of imprimitivity for the action of on .)
to be the system of imprimitivity determined by the block of imprimitivity ;
to be the permutation group induced by on ; (we also denote by the natural projection, so .)
to be the wreath product .
Let . Since the point stabilizer of in is defined as the intersection of the independent subgroups , we have . Moreover, from our inductive argument, we have
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For each prime , let be a Sylow -subgroup of and let be a Sylow -subgroup of . In particular, is a Sylow -subgroup of . From Lemma 3.1, for every , we have
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where denotes the number of orbits of on . Observe that .
In particular, using (3.3) and (3.4), we deduce
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unless, for each and for each ,
**(a): **
,
**(b): **
.
In particular, for the rest of the proof we may assume that (a) and (b) hold.
Since , we may choose and such that is not a power of . Let be a set of representatives of the orbits of on , where . In other words, this means that
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and that this union is disjoint. For each , let . As is a block of imprimitivity for the action of on , the union
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is made by pairwise disjoint -orbits and hence . Moreover, if and only if the equality in (3.5) is attained, which in turn happens, if and only if, for each , the points in are in the same -orbit.
Since we are assuming that , the previous paragraph shows that the stabilizer of the block is transitive on the points in . Since is a -group, we deduce is a power of , contradicting our choice of and . ∎
4. Proofs of Theorem 1.3 and Corollary 1.5
If is a normal subgroup of a finite group , we denote by the difference We recall in the first part of this section some results proved in [10, 11], estimating the value of when is a minimal normal subgroup of
Lemma 4.1**.**
If is an abelian minimal normal subgroup of then is either 0 or 1 depending on whether or not.
Proof.
If follows from [10, Lemma 11 and Lemma 12]. ∎
Lemma 4.2**.**
Assume that is a non-abelian minimal normal subgroup of a finite group . There exist a non-abelian simple group and a positive integer such that with for each . Let be the transitive subgroup of induced by the conjugacy action of on the set of the simple components of . As in the previous section, let be the largest positive integer such that the stabilizer in of a point in can be obtained as an intersection of independent subgroups. Moreover let be the subgroup of induced by the conjugation action of on the first factor . Then
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Proof.
If follows from [10, Lemma 13] and [11, Theorem 1]. ∎
Lemma 4.3**.**
Let be a minimal normal subgroup of a finite group If then
Proof.
It suffice to prove that whenever This is clear when is abelian. Assume that is non-abelian. Let and let be a Sylow -subgroup of . If , then Tate’s Theorem [4, p. 431] shows that has a normal -complement. However, this is impossible because is a direct product of non-abelian simple groups. Thus and consequently ∎
Proof of Theorem 1.3.
Clearly the statement is true if is simple. Thus we suppose that is not a simple group and we proceed by induction on the order of We may assume Let be a minimal normal subgroup of If is abelian, using Lemma 4.3 and the inductive hypotheses, we have
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(In the last inequality, we used the fact that and .) Assume that is non-abelian. Let and be as in the statement of Lemma 4.2. By Theorem 3.2, we have
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Combining this with Lemma 4.3, we conclude that
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The last inequality follows from the fact that , for every positive integers and and for every ∎
In order to prove Corollary 1.5, we first need the following lemma.
Lemma 4.4**.**
For every positive real number there exists a constant such that where is the number of prime numbers less than or equal to .
Proof.
By [14, Theorem 29], if then so if suffices to notice that ∎
Lemma 4.5**.**
There exists a constant such that, if is an almost simple group and is not a simple group of Lie type, then
Proof.
First assume that . By [17, Theorem 1], . By Lemma 4.4, there exists a constant such that Clearly there exists a constant such that , for every sporadic simple group . Taking the result follows. ∎
Proof of Corollary 1.5.
It follows from Theorem 1.3 and Lemma 4.5. ∎
5. Estimating
In this section, we aim to bound, from above and from below, as a function of . By [17, Theorem 1], while, by Kalužnin’s Theorem, if
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is the -adic expansion of , then
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For not making the notation too cumbersome, we set
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and
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As in the previous sections we denote by the prime counting function, that is, is the number of prime numbers less than or equal to . As for every prime , we have
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From the Prime Number Theorem, is asymptotic to (that is, the ratio tends to as tends to infinity) and hence . In this section, we actually prove that is asymptotic to a linear function.
Theorem 5.1**.**
For every , we have
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In particular,
Proof.
We start by collecting some basic inequalities that we use throughout this proof. From Theorem 1 and Theorem 2 in [15], we have
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Given a prime number with , and hence
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We define the two auxiliary functions
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We aim to obtain explicit bounds on and as functions of . We start with .
From (5), we get
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For every with , we denote by the prime number. Using [15, Corollary, page 69], we have
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where the first inequality is valid for every and the second inequality is valid for every .
This shows that, for every ,
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An explicit computation yields that (5.5) is also valid when .
Therefore, from (5.1), (5.5) and a computation (we are using in the last inequality), for every , we have
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Actually, with a direct inspection, we see that this inequality holds true for every natural number with . Therefore
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for every .
Arguing in a similar manner, for every , we obtain
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An explicit computation yields that (5.7) is also valid when . Therefore, using (5.7), we have
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For every with , write . When , we have . Moreover, when , we have
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where the last inequality holds for . Therefore, for every , we have
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where the last inequality follows with some elementary computations. A direct computation with shows that the same upper bound for holds. Therefore, applying this upper bound with , we get
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Now, for every , using (5.1) and (5.2), we see that the right hand side of (5.8) is bounded above by
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The second summand of (LABEL:eq:newnew) is at most
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Now, we have . Thus the second summand of (LABEL:eq:newnew) is at most
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where the last inequality follows with a computation using the fact that . For the first and third summand of (LABEL:eq:newnew), we have
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where this inequality follows again with some elementary computations using the fact that . Summing up, for every , we have
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A direct inspection shows that this bound is also valid for the natural numbers with .
Summing up, from (5.4), (5.6) and (5.10), we get
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We now start working on the function . Here we are interested in a lower bound and in an upper bound for . First we obtain an upper bound for . As , the -adic expansion of is simply and hence . Now we refine further . For every , we let
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and we let
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When , we have and hence equals times the number of prime numbers in the interval . Therefore, when ,
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and
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Since every prime , with , lies in one of the intervals , for some , or in the interval , we have
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Using (5.1), we have
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The function is decreasing in the interval and hence we obtain for the first summand the estimate
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For the second summand observe that the function is decreasing in the interval and hence we obtain the estimate
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Further, for , we get
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Thus, from (5.12), (5.13), (5.14), (5.15) and (5.16), for every , we have that
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First of all, as , we get and hence
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Moreover,
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Summing up, for every ,
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An explicit computation with the positive integers with shows that the same upper bound remains true when .
Using the upper bounds (5.11) and (5.17), for every , we deduce
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where the last inequality follows with some computation.
Now, we use the argument above to obtain also a lower bound for and hence for . Using (5.2) and (5.12), we have
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The function is decreasing in the interval and hence we obtain the estimate
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where in the last inequality we used the fact that and hence . Furthermore, from (5.1), we have
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where the last inequality follows from an easy computation. Summing up,
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