Commutators in finite p-groups with 3-generator derived subgroup
Iker de las Heras

TL;DR
This paper extends previous results by showing that in finite p-groups with a 3-generator derived subgroup, all elements are commutators, removing the need for the derived subgroup to be abelian.
Contribution
It generalizes Guralnick's theorem by removing the abelian condition and explores similar properties in pro-p groups, completing the understanding of commutators in these groups.
Findings
All elements of the derived subgroup are commutators without the abelian condition.
The result holds when the action on G' is uniserial modulo (G')^p and |G':(G')^p| ≤ p^{p-1}.
Analogous results are valid for pro-p groups.
Abstract
It is well known that, in general, the set of commutators of a group may not be a subgroup. Guralnick showed that if is a finite -group with such that is abelian and -generator, then all the elements of the derived subgroup are commutators. In this paper, we extend Guralnick's result by showing that the condition of to be abelian is not needed. In this way, we complete the study of this property in finite -groups in terms of the number of generators of the derived subgroup. We will also see that the same result is true when the action of on is uniserial modulo and does not exceed . Finally, we will prove that analogous results are satisfied when working with pro- groups.
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Commutators in finite -groups with -Generator Derived Subgroup
Iker de las Heras
Department of Mathematics
University of the Basque Country UPV/EHU
48080 Bilbao, Spain
Abstract.
It is well known that, in general, the set of commutators of a group may not be a subgroup. Guralnick showed that if is a finite -group with such that is abelian and 3-generator, then all the elements of the derived subgroup are commutators. In this paper, we extend Guralnick’s result by showing that the condition of to be abelian is not needed. In this way, we complete the study of this property in finite -groups in terms of the number of generators of the derived subgroup. We will also see that the same result is true when the action of on is uniserial modulo and does not exceed . Finally, we will prove that analogous results are satisfied when working with pro- groups.
The author is supported by the Spanish Government grant MTM2017-86802-P and by the Basque Government grant IT974-16. He is also supported by a predoctoral grant of the University of the Basque Country
1. Introduction
Let denote the set of commutators of a group . It is a well-known problem deciding whether the derived subgroup equals . Indeed, in general this equality does not hold since the product of two commutators need not be a commutator. As an easy example, we can consider the group , where is the free group on generators and is a prime. It is immediate by [11, Theorem 3.1] that this group does not satisfy the property, even if the nilpotency class of is 2 and the exponent of is .
We need, then, to restrict our choice of the group to some particular family of groups if we want it to satisfy the desired property. For instance, Liebeck, O’Brien, Shalev and Tiep proved in [13] that if is a finite simple group, then , thereby proving the so-called Ore Conjecture. On the other hand, Guralnick ([6, Theorem 1]) and Kappe and Morse ([11, Theorem 3.4 and Theorem 4.2]) found some upper bounds for the order of , for the order of and for if is a -group of order , in such a way that a group will satisfy the equality whenever it satisfies one of these bounds.
However, we will focus on restrictions on the number of generators of the derived subgroup . In this direction, Macdonald proved in [14] that even if is cyclic the property may fail. Actually, he showed that for every we can find a group such that is cyclic but cannot be generated by less than commutators. This shows how delicate the equality can be. The situation, fortunately, is much better when working with nilpotent groups. In that case, Rodney proved in [17] that if is nilpotent with cyclic derived subgroup, then .
The study of this property for finite nilpotent groups is clearly reduced to finite -groups. If is a finite -group with 2-generator abelian derived subgroup, Guralnick proved in [5, Theorem A] that consists only of commutators. In [3] Fernández-Alcober and the author extended this result, showing that the condition that is abelian is not necessary.
Theorem 1.1** ([3], Theorem A).**
Let be a finite -group. If can be generated by elements, then for a suitable .
Methods and strategies developed in [3] for the proof of Theorem 1.1 will have a great importance when proving Theorem A below. This theorem concerns finite -groups with 3-generator derived subgroup. In this context Rodney addressed the simplest cases, namely, the one when the nilpotency class of is 2 ([16, Theorem A]) and the one when is elementary abelian of rank 3 ([16, Theorem B]), showing that in both cases we have . Notice, however, that Rodney’s results involve only groups for which is abelian. Thus, Guralnick generalized these results for , proving that if is a finite -group with abelian and 3-generator, then ([5, Theorem B]). Moreover, he found counterexamples showing that the result is false for or , even if is abelian ([5], Example 3.5 and Example 3.6). In Theorem A we generalize Guralnick’s result to groups in which need not be abelian.
Theorem A**.**
Let be a finite -group with . If can be generated by 3 elements, then consists only of commutators.
In this case, as shown in Remark 4.4, it is not true, in general, that there exists a fixed element such that , as we have in Theorem 1.1 or Theorem B below.
Macdonald ([15, Exercise 5, page 78]) and Kappe and Morse ([11, Example 5.4]) showed that for every prime there exist finite -groups with 4-generator abelian derived subgroup such that . These examples show that the property may fail if the derived subgroup has more than 3 generators. Therefore, with Theorem A and Theorem 1.1, we close the gap between the case when is abelian and can be generated by 3 elements and the case when is generated by more than 3 elements. Thus, the study of the condition in terms of the number of generators of the derived subgroup is complete for finite -groups. In Theorem B we show that with some additional restriction, groups with satisfy the desired equality.
Theorem B**.**
Let be a finite -group and write . If and the action of on is uniserial modulo , then there exists such that .
More information about the condition can be found in the papers [10] and [11].
Finally, we show that analogous results to Theorem A and Theorem B are satisfied when working with pro- groups. Recall that if a pro- group is topologically finitely generated, then the index of in is a -power (and in particular finite).
Theorem A*′*.
Let be a pro- group with . If can be topologically generated by 3 elements, then consists only of commutators.
Theorem B*′*.
Let be pro- group with topologically finitely generated derived subgroup. Write . If and the action of on is uniserial modulo , then there exists such that .
Notation and organization. Let be a group, and let . We write to denote that is maximal in . If , then we set and . We denote the Frattini subgroup of by . If is finitely generated, stands for the minimum number of generators of . Finally, if is a topological group and , we write to refer to the topological closure of in and we write to denote that is an open normal subgroup of .
We start with some preliminary results in Section 2. Theorem B will be used in the proof of Theorem A, so it will be proved before Theorem A in Section 3. We then split the proof of Theorem A into two sections, dealing separately with the following two cases: in Section 4 we prove the result when is powerful and in Section 5 we prove it in the general case. Finally, in Section 6 we prove Theorem A*′* and Theorem B*′*.
2. Preliminary Results
In the proof of Theorem 1.1 ([3, Theorem A]), the authors rely on a result by Blackburn, according to which is powerful whenever ([1, Theorem 1]). In this way, they reduce the proof to the case in which is powerful. Unfortunately, this is not true when , as Example 5.1 below shows. However, we will see in Section 5 that the groups in which but is non-powerful are very specific. Powerful groups, then, will be essential in this paper. Background on such groups can be found in [4, Chapter 2] or [12, Chapter 11]. These groups are usually seen as a generalization of abelian groups since they satisfy, among others, the following properties:
- (i)
. In particular . 2. (ii)
for every . 3. (iii)
. 4. (iv)
If , then . 5. (v)
The power map from to that sends to is an epimorphism for every .
Remark 2.1*.*
Property (v) implies that if , then
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(and hence ), and if , then
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We can generalize this concept even more with the notion of potent -groups, which will also have an important role in the paper. For instance, as we will see in the proof of Theorem B, if a group satisfies the conditions of the theorem, then its derived subgroup is potent. A finite -group is said to be potent if for odd or if for . In this context, the following lemma, which is a reduced version of a theorem by González-Sánchez and Jaikin-Zapirain, will be particularly helpful. First, recall that a group is said to be power abelian if it satisfies the following three properties for all :
- (i)
. 2. (ii)
. 3. (iii)
.
Lemma 2.2** ([9], Theorem 1.1).**
Let be a potent -group with . Then:
- (i)
If then is power abelian. 2. (ii)
If and , then is powerful.
Following the strategy developed in [3], the next two lemmas will be crucial. Lemma 2.3 says that if we want to show that a subgroup contains only commutators with a fixed element in the first position, we only have to care about the factors of a normal series. Lemma 2.4 shows that, actually, it suffices to find some suitable generators for such factors.
Lemma 2.3** ([3], Lemma 2.3).**
Let be a group and let , with normal in . Suppose that for some the following two conditions hold:
- (i)
. 2. (ii)
.
Then .
Lemma 2.4** ([3], Lemma 2.4).**
Let be a group and let , with normal in . If for some and some with , then .
In order to apply these lemmas we will use the following result.
Lemma 2.5**.**
Let be a finite -group with and powerful for some , and let be two normal subgroups of such that . Write and suppose . If where and , then
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and for every .
Proof.
We will argue by induction on . If there is nothing to prove, so assume and suppose
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and . By Lemma 2.2, and are power abelian, so and . Since is powerful, Remark 2.1 yields
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Thus, we only have to prove that
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By the Hall-Petresco Identity,
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where for every . Note that is cyclic of exponent , so and by Remark 2.1 we have , so that . Hence, since is power abelian, if we have .
If , then . Recall that is powerful, so we have , and hence by Remark 2.1. If , since , we get
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If , then it can be proved using again the Hall-Petresco Identity that for every normal subgroup of we have
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so
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where the last equality holds since . The result follows. ∎
Thus, combining Lemma 2.3, Lemma 2.4 and Lemma 2.5 we get the following useful result.
Lemma 2.6**.**
Let be a finite -group with and powerful for some . Write and suppose . If there exist , and a series from to
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in which each factor is a chief factor of generated by the commutator , then .
Proof.
Since is powerful we have . By Remark 2.1, we have for every , and furthermore, by Lemma 2.5, this quotient is generated by for every and . Therefore, by Lemma 2.4, it follows that
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Thus, we have a series from to in which all factors are chief factors of and all elements of each chief factor are images of commutators of the form with . The result follows by applying Lemma 2.3 again and again. ∎
Remark 2.7*.*
Lemma 2.6 (and hence also Lemma 2.5) will be used with only when proving Theorem B, where we use it with . The general result has been proved for completeness.
As in [3] the subgroups below will have an essential role in the paper.
Definition 2.8**.**
Let be a non-abelian finite -group. For every with we define the subgroup by the condition
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that is, is the largest subgroup of satisfying . We set .
Definition 2.9**.**
Let be a finite -group with powerful. We define .
Recall that the action of on a normal subgroup of is uniserial if
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for every . We also define the following subgroups, which are just the so-called two-step centralizers modulo .
Definition 2.10**.**
Let be a finite -group such that the action of on is uniserial modulo . Then, we define
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for every such that .
Remark 2.11*.*
In the situation above, the subgroups are all maximal in since and .
We prove the following result exactly in the same way as in [3, Lemma 2.9], even if .
Lemma 2.12**.**
If is a non-abelian finite -group then if and only if . Furthermore, for every with , we have and is even.
Proof.
Since is a normal subgroup of , we have if and only if for some with , and the first assertion follows.
On the other hand, let with . We have , and so . Thus can be seen as an -vector space. In addition, the commutator map in induces a a non-degenerate alternating form on , and thus is even. ∎
3. Proof of Theorem B
Before proving Theorem B we need the following simple lemma, according to which the first part of Remark 2.1 can be stated in a more general way, even if is potent.
Lemma 3.1**.**
Let be a potent -group with . If are two normal subgroups of , then for all . In particular .
Proof.
By Lemma 2.2, the subgroups and are power abelian, so in particular and . Since obviously , the result follows. ∎
Proof of Theorem B.
If , then is cyclic and the result follows from Theorem 1.1, so assume (and in particular ). For the sake of simplicity we will write , so that
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is a series from to such that for all . Note that if with , then . Therefore, and is the unique subgroup satisfying those conditions. Hence, is a subgroup of whose index is greater than by Lemma 2.12. Note also that there are only two-step centralizers, which are maximal by Remark 2.11. Thus, we can take . By Lemma 2.12 we have and since is maximal in we have . In particular for some . Furthermore, since for , we also have for some suitable . It follows from Lemma 2.4 and Lemma 2.3 that .
Recall that , and since , it follows that . Thus, since we have , so that is potent. In this case the power map from to defined above Remark 2.1 need not be a homomorphism. However, we can restrict its domain and codomain in order for it to be so. We claim that the map from to sending to is an epimorphism for every .
Take . By the Hall-Petresco Identity we have
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with . Obviously if then . Besides, if , since , we have
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where the last inequality holds since by Lemma 3.1 we have
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and . Moreover, since is potent it follows that is power abelian, so the map must be an epimorphism. The claim is proved.
Thus, by Lemma 3.1 it follows that we have a series
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in which each factor has order less than or equal to and is generated by the image of for every . In order to apply Lemma 2.6 let us prove that
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for every . Assume first . We will use again the Hall-Petresco Identity so that
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with . If then . If , we have
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Lemma 3.1 yields , and since , we conclude . For we have , so the claim follows more easily applying the same method.
Now, , so we apply Lemma 2.6 with and we get . Since , we conclude by Lemma 2.3. ∎
Remark 3.2*.*
If the exponent of is , that is, if , then, following the same method, Theorem B can be stated for . Indeed, if is the union of proper subgroups, then all of them must be maximal.
4. Proof of Theorem A when is Powerful
In order to prove Theorem A we need the following technical lemma, which will be very helpful when using induction on the order of the group.
Lemma 4.1**.**
Let be a finite -group with , powerful and . Assume there exist such that , and . Then, there exists a family of proper subgroups of such that equals the union of their derived subgroups. Moreover, each of these derived subgroups is powerful.
Proof.
Consider the subgroups for and . Let us prove that for and that .
Suppose first . Since and , we have , and since , the map
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is a homomorphism. Therefore, we can write
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Thus, since is powerful, we have
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The subgroups and are normal in since , so taking in Lemma 2.5, it follows that
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and
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Hence,
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so that , as asserted. Similar arguments imply that .
It is easy to see now that (just observe that the are precisely the subgroups between and ). Finally, notice that for every , so since is powerfully embedded in , it follows by [12, Lemma 11.7] that is powerful. Thus, the proof is complete. ∎
We are now in a position to prove Theorem A in the case that is powerful.
Theorem 4.2**.**
Let be a finite -group with powerful, and . Then, .
Proof.
We proceed by induction on the order of . For the result follows from Theorem 1.1. Now assume that and note that we have . We will consider three different cases depending on the position of the subgroup .
Case 1. .
If , then the action of on is uniserial modulo and the result follows from Theorem B.
Assume then . If for some , then, of course, we are done, so assume for every . We claim that there exist such that . For that purpose we can suppose that . As seen in the proof of Theorem B we have , and since is also a proper subgroup of (otherwise ), we can take . Then, by Lemma 2.12 and . Let us write .
Since we have . If , then, we can find a series of normal subgroups of from to such that all factors have order and are generated by images of elements of the form for some suitable . Thus, Lemma 2.6 implies , which is a contradiction. Therefore, we have and hence . Take thus . Then, (because , and again, as we have seen for , we also have . It follows that . Furthermore, since , we have , and we conclude that . This proves the claim.
Remove now the assumption of and observe that , so we are in the situation of Lemma 4.1. It follows then that is the union of the derived subgroups of some proper subgroups of . These derived subgroups are all powerful, and since , they all can be generated by elements. So, by induction, .
Take now arbitrary. We claim that is a commutator modulo for every (and hence that is a commutator). We proceed by induction on . Clearly, we have for some , , so the case is satisfied. Assume then that and where and .
Note that , so since , we have . Besides, since is powerful, the power map from to is an epimorphism, so that . By Lemma 2.5 we have
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Thus,
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for some and . We rewrite, in order to simplify the notation, instead of and instead of , so that .
Note again that , so it follows that
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Therefore,
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with and . Now, by the last theorem in [7], there exist such that , so with , as claimed.
Case 2. .
Let us prove that . On the one hand, as seen before, for all which are normal in , and since , there are exactly subgroups between and . Furthermore, since they are central over , they are all normal in . Thus, , where are these normal subgroups. In addition, it follows from Lemma 2.12 that for every .
On the other hand, observe again that . Hence, if we write , we have
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as we wanted. Take now . Since we have by Lemma 2.12, and since we have . Thus, since all subgroups between and are central and hence normal in , we can construct a series from to where all factors have order and are generated by images of commutators of the form with . Again, the result follows from Lemma 2.6.
Case 3. .
If for some , again, all the subgroups between and are normal in , so we could construct a series from to in such a way that we would be done by Lemma 2.6. Therefore, assume for every . By [16, Theorem B] the result is satisfied for , so we have . Thus, it suffices to prove that for every .
Suppose first . We claim that there always exists such that . For that purpose, we assume . Note that , so by Theorem 1.1, there exists such that . Hence with . Observe that , so take . Thus, , and . If , then , a contradiction. Observe, however, that , so . Since , the claim is proved.
Hence, we only have to consider the case . We claim now that there exist such that . Assume again that . Since , we have , and we can consider a maximal subgroup such that . Observe that , and . Hence, there exist and such that . Furthermore, , so , as claimed.
Remove now the assumption of and note that we are in the situation of Lemma 4.1 since . Hence we have , as we wanted. ∎
Remark 4.3*.*
Case 2 can be generalized for using a slightly different version of Lemma 2.6, but one must be more selective in the choice of .
Remark 4.4*.*
It is not true that, in general, if we have for some , as we had in Theorem 1.1 or Theorem B. Indeed, let , where is the free group on 3 generators and is a prime. Note that is 3-generator and . Now, if , then , and if , then since .
5. Proof of Theorem A when is Non-Powerful
The following example, taken directly from [8, Example 14.24, page 376], shows that unlike the case when , it may happen that is non-powerful when .
Example 5.1**.**
Let and consider the groups and Define via the automorphisms
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Now, consider and define via the automorphism
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The group is a -group of maximal class of order and exponent such that and .
We will start, hence, analyzing which kind of groups may arise when is non-powerful. Actually, we will see that in such a case, must be a very special kind of -group, namely, a CF-group. These groups were introduced by Blackburn in [2] and are defined as follows.
Definition 5.2**.**
Let such that . A -group is said to be a CF-group if the nilpotency class of is and the action of on is uniserial.
We next define the degree of commutativity on CF()-groups exactly in the same way as for groups of maximal class.
Definition 5.3**.**
Let be a CF-group. The degree of commutativity of is defined as
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where and for all .
Lemma 5.5 below shows that if is non-powerful, then we can reduce our proof to a very particular group which is a CF()-group modulo . The key part of the proof is the following lemma due to Blackburn.
Lemma 5.4** ([2], Theorem 2.11).**
Let be a CF-group with odd and . Then has degree of commutativity greater than 0.
Lemma 5.5**.**
Let be a finite -group with , and non-powerful. Then is a CF-group.
Proof.
Clearly we can assume and . Thus, the Frattini subgroup of is , and since , then . Note that , so the only possibilities for are or .
Assume first . Then, since and we have . In addition, has two generators modulo , which implies that (recall that ). Consider the subgroup and recall it is maximal by Remark 2.11. In the same way as in Case 2 of Theorem 4.2, it can be seen that there are only maximal subgroups of that are normal in . Hence, making the same computations, it follows that .
Thus, we can pick , and we have . We can then find such that . We write and for simplicity. Thus, , and we write, again for simplicity, .
On the one hand,
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so that . Similarly we get
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and so . In particular , and since is of order , we have for some . Note, however, that
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so we get and thus
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On the other hand, we have . Denote . We have , and since , we get . In particular, we get , and the nilpotency class of is less than or equal to 2. Now,
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so that . This is a contradiction since but .
Therefore we must have . Thus
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and since , we have and . Let us write . Note that
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so and since , then . Indeed, we can write with , and , and so the generators of are and (note that ). Hence and .
If then and we are done, so assume . Thus, is a CF()-group, and since , by Lemma 5.4 it follows that the degree of commutativity of is greater than 0. In particular we have , which is a contradiction. The lemma follows. ∎
With all this, the second part of the proof of Theorem A follows easily.
Theorem 5.6**.**
Let be a finite -group with non-powerful, and . Then, .
Proof.
We assume by Theorem 1.1. By Lemma 5.5 the action of on is uniserial modulo and, in addition, since . The result follows directly from Theorem B. ∎
Thus, combining Theorem 4.2 and Theorem 5.6 we establish Theorem A.
6. Proof of Theorems A*′* and B*′*
The analogous to Theorem A and Theorem B for pro- groups can be easily proved. Let and be the family of groups satisfying the conditions of Theorem A and Theorem B respectively. Using this notation, we prove now Theorem A*′* and Theorem B*′* together.
Proof of Theorem A′ and Theorem B′.
Let be a pro- group satisfying the conditions of Theorem A*′* or Theorem B*′*. Then, for every open normal subgroup of we have or , and therefore, by Theorem A or Theorem B respectively, we have or for some depending on the normal subgroup .
In the case of Theorem B*′, let , which is closed in , being a union of cosets of . Clearly, the family has the finite intersection property and, since is compact, . If belongs to this intersection, then for all . Thus, let us write to refer to the subset if we are in the situation of Theorem A′, or to the subset if we are in the situation of Theorem B′*. Note that in both cases is closed in , being the image of a continuous function.
On the other hand, since is topologically finitely generated we have
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for suitable and with . Define . Since is topologically finitely generated, it follows that is closed in , and hence in . Thus, is also closed in , so . Therefore, is closed in . Now,
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and the proof is complete. ∎
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